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Titre: [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CHaPuZaS le 29 Octobre 2010, 10:50:31
You'll find adittional information about the results, links to cards and Deck Metagame Breakdown in this link to Evolution Store. (http://noticias.magicevolution.com/2010/10/29/eternal-weekend-2010-vintage-all-stars-deck-breakdown-y-top-8-decklists/)

Tournament Data

Format: Vintage (Invitational Event)
Assistance: 24
Date: Monday, October 11th 2010
Where: Alcobendas, Madrid - Spain

For those who doesn't know it, the All Stars is a private initiative in Spain for organizing the Spanish Nats of Vintage and Legacy... If some people plays the official Nats, Why wouldn't us be able to compete in the Legacy and Vintage Nats?

The tournament is accesible invitation only, wth an special punctuation qualification method based in your position in the Top8 and the assistance to that event. It's only bassed, logically, in the results of spanish people in and out the frontiers during 2009. You'll find additional info (Mostly In Spanish) about the qualification methods in this link (http://launiversidaddelasartesludicas.blogspot.com/2010/08/los-metodos-de-seleccion-all-stars.html).

Top8 (Swiss)

1 - Mendibe, Eneko - 15
2 - Ragull, Guillem  - 13
3 - Madruga, Andres - 13
4 - Fernandez, Cesar - 13
5 - González, Rubén - 13
6 - Alonso, Raul - 12
7 - Lopez, Ivan - 12
8 - Apraiz, Josu - 12

Deck Breakdown

Almost - 3
Tezzeret - 3
Gush Remora - 2
Lavadora - 2
MUD - 2
Drain Tendrils - 2
Remora - 1
Tezzcast - 1
Gush Tendrils - 1
TPS - 1
TTS - 1
Gush Painters - 1
5c Stax - 1
TezzPainters - 1
Dredge - 1
Noble Fish - 1

Top8 Decklists

Tezzcast, by César Fernández - Champion

Maindeck

3 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Seat of the Synod
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
2 Mox Opal
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
3 Spell Pierce
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Time Vault
2 Voltaic Key
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic tutor
1 Tinker
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Thoughtcast
4 Dark Confidant
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind

Sideboard

2 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Mountain
4 Ingot Chewer
2 Shattering Spree
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast

Almost, by Guillem Ragull - Finalist

Maindeck

4 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical island
4 Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Ponder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Time Walk
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Timetwister
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Gush
1 Mind's Desire
3 Repeal
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild
3 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Tormod's crypt
2 Brain Freeze

Sideboard

1 Forest
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Thoughtseize
2 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Nature's Claim

MUD, by Raúl Alonso - Semifinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
2 Sculpting Steel
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Trinisphere
4 Sphere of resistance
4 Smokestack
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Chalice of the void
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Tangle Wire
2 City of Traitors
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 Mishra's Factory
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Ancient Tomb

Sideboard

4 Staff of Domination
4 Metalworker
4 Duplicant
3 Wurmcoil Engine

Almost, by Josu Apraiz - Semifinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
2 Flooded Strand
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Force of Will
4 Duress
4 Gush
4 Preordain
4 Repeal
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Fastbond
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Regrowth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Mind's Desire
1 Timetwister
2 Brain Freeze

Sideboard

4 Quirion Dryad
1 Tropical Island
1 Island
3 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Dispell
3 Nature's Claim

Gush Tendrils, by Rubén González - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mana Crypt
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Gush
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
2 Mana Drain
1 Mindbreak Trap
2 Preordain
3 Repeal
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Jace, the Mindsculptor
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Fire / Ice
1 Vampiric tutor
1 Demonic tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth
3 Volcanic Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical island
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Polluted Delta
2 Island

Sideboard

4 Ingot Chewer
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Pyroclasm
2 Red Elemental blast
1 Pyroblast
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Yixlid Jailer
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mountain

TPS, by Andrés Madruga - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Dark Ritual
4 Dark Confidant
4 Duress
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Memory Jar
1 Necropotence
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Windfall
1 Tinker
1 Mystical tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Hurkil's Recall
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Force of Will
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Mind's Desire
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Polluted Delta
2 Pantano
3 Isla

Sideboard

1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Massacre
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Echoing Truth
1 Rebuild
2 Island
1 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Sower of Temptations
1 Yixlid jailer
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Ravenous Trap
2 Thoughtseize
1 Darkblast

5Color Stax, by Eneko Mendibe - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

4 Mishra's Workshop
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 City of Brass
4 Mox Opal
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Black Lotus
4 Goblin Welder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tinker
1 Balance
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Trinisphere
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Smokestack
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Tangle Wire
4 Sphere of Resistance
2 Crucible of Worlds

Sideboard

4 Leyline of the Void
4 Ancient Grudge
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Contagion Clasp
1 Crucible of Worlds

GAT, by Iván López - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Regrowth
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tinker
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
4 Quirion Dryad
4 Thoughtseize
4 Force of Will
4 Preordain
1 Fastbond
4 Gush
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Trygon Predator
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Mystical tutor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Spell Pierce
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
2 flooded strand

Sideboard

2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Yixlid Jailer
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Forest
1 Island
2 Nature's Claim
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Hurkyl's Recall

Enjoy it!!!
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Legacy All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: astre le 29 Octobre 2010, 11:03:18
OMG gush and shop everywere  :shock:
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Breakdown & Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CHaPuZaS le 29 Octobre 2010, 11:51:26
Citation de: CHaPuZaS le 29 Octobre 2010, 10:50:31
You'll find adittional information about the results, links to cards and Deck Metagame Breakdown in this link to Evolution Store. (http://noticias.magicevolution.com/2010/10/29/eternal-weekend-2010-vintage-all-stars-deck-breakdown-y-top-8-decklists/)

Tournament Data

Format: Vintage (Invitational Event)
Assistance: 24
Date: Monday, October 11th 2010
Where: Alcobendas, Madrid - Spain

For those who doesn't know it, the All Stars is a private initiative in Spain for organizing the Spanish Nats of Vintage and Legacy... If some people plays the official Nats, Why wouldn't us be able to compete in the Legacy and Vintage Nats?

The tournament is accesible invitation only, wth an special punctuation qualification method based in your position in the Top8 and the assistance to that event. It's only bassed, logically, in the results of spanish people in and out the frontiers during 2009. You'll find additional info (Mostly In Spanish) about the qualification methods in this link (http://launiversidaddelasartesludicas.blogspot.com/2010/08/los-metodos-de-seleccion-all-stars.html).

Top8 (Swiss)

1 - Mendibe, Eneko - 15
2 - Ragull, Guillem  - 13
3 - Madruga, Andres - 13
4 - Fernandez, Cesar - 13
5 - González, Rubén - 13
6 - Alonso, Raul - 12
7 - Lopez, Ivan - 12
8 - Apraiz, Josu - 12

Deck Breakdown

Almost - 3
Tezzeret - 3
Gush Remora - 2
Lavadora - 2
MUD - 2
Drain Tendrils - 2
Remora - 1
Tezzcast - 1
Gush Tendrils - 1
TPS - 1
TTS - 1
Gush Painters - 1
5c Stax - 1
TezzPainters - 1
Dredge - 1
Noble Fish - 1

Top8 Decklists

Tezzcast, by César Fernández - Champion

Maindeck

3 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Seat of the Synod
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
2 Mox Opal
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
3 Spell Pierce
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Time Vault
2 Voltaic Key
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic tutor
1 Tinker
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Thoughtcast
4 Dark Confidant
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind

Sideboard

2 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Mountain
4 Ingot Chewer
2 Shattering Spree
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast

Almost, by Guillem Ragull - Finalist

Maindeck

4 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical island
4 Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Ponder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Time Walk
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Timetwister
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Gush
1 Mind's Desire
3 Repeal
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild
3 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Tormod's crypt
2 Brain Freeze

Sideboard

1 Forest
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Thoughtseize
2 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Nature's Claim

MUD, by Raúl Alonso - Semifinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
2 Sculpting Steel
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Trinisphere
4 Sphere of resistance
4 Smokestack
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Chalice of the void
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Tangle Wire
2 City of Traitors
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 Mishra's Factory
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Ancient Tomb

Sideboard

4 Staff of Domination
4 Metalworker
4 Duplicant
3 Wurmcoil Engine

Almost, by Josu Apraiz - Semifinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
2 Flooded Strand
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Force of Will
4 Duress
4 Gush
4 Preordain
4 Repeal
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Fastbond
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Regrowth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Mind's Desire
1 Timetwister
2 Brain Freeze

Sideboard

4 Quirion Dryad
1 Tropical Island
1 Island
3 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Dispell
3 Nature's Claim

Gush Tendrils, by Rubén González - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mana Crypt
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Gush
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
2 Mana Drain
1 Mindbreak Trap
2 Preordain
3 Repeal
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Jace, the Mindsculptor
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Fire / Ice
1 Vampiric tutor
1 Demonic tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth
3 Volcanic Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical island
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Polluted Delta
2 Island

Sideboard

4 Ingot Chewer
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Pyroclasm
2 Red Elemental blast
1 Pyroblast
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Yixlid Jailer
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mountain

TPS, by Andrés Madruga - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Dark Ritual
4 Dark Confidant
4 Duress
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Memory Jar
1 Necropotence
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Windfall
1 Tinker
1 Mystical tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Hurkil's Recall
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Force of Will
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Mind's Desire
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Polluted Delta
2 Pantano
3 Isla

Sideboard

1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Massacre
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Echoing Truth
1 Rebuild
2 Island
1 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Sower of Temptations
1 Yixlid jailer
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Ravenous Trap
2 Thoughtseize
1 Darkblast

5Color Stax, by Eneko Mendibe - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

4 Mishra's Workshop
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 City of Brass
4 Mox Opal
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Black Lotus
4 Goblin Welder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tinker
1 Balance
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Trinisphere
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Smokestack
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Tangle Wire
4 Sphere of Resistance
2 Crucible of Worlds

Sideboard

4 Leyline of the Void
4 Ancient Grudge
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Contagion Clasp
1 Crucible of Worlds

GAT, by Iván López - Quarterfinalist

Maindeck

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Regrowth
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tinker
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
4 Quirion Dryad
4 Thoughtseize
4 Force of Will
4 Preordain
1 Fastbond
4 Gush
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Trygon Predator
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Mystical tutor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Spell Pierce
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
2 flooded strand

Sideboard

2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Yixlid Jailer
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Forest
1 Island
2 Nature's Claim
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Hurkyl's Recall

Enjoy it!!!
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Legacy All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Deckli
Posté par: Zanketsull le 29 Octobre 2010, 13:51:22
 :shock:   je kiffe le méta espagnol...

:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: la liste du 2e !!!!!
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Legacy All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: kLu le 29 Octobre 2010, 15:35:19
<3 you spanish guys !!!!!
3 Zbs (Almost), 2 in top4 :)
Thk you !

Edit : La liste du 2ème et du 4ème sont des évolutions de Zbs qu'Hemgath et moi avons monté il y a maintenant quelques années :)
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Legacy All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: adrienger le 29 Octobre 2010, 16:08:47
Tout le top 8 avait fait l impasse sur dredge ?!?
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Legacy All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: astre le 29 Octobre 2010, 18:08:40
c'est un top 24 nationnal

probabkement que presonne n'anticipait sur de random dredge.dec :o
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CHaPuZaS le 29 Octobre 2010, 19:04:08
i think that it was played, dredge I mean, by one player you can find out in the link I provided at the beginning of the post.
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: BoOBaZ le 29 Octobre 2010, 19:32:02
J'avoue que quand j'ai vu les listes tout à l'heure ( sur Morphling ), j'ai direct eu envie de troquer mes Dark ritual pour des Gush : )

Je garde des souvenirs émus de mes games au commande du Zbs de l'époque :')
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Zanketsull le 29 Octobre 2010, 20:40:48
CHaPuZaS, can you please post (or send by pm) the third list of Almost / Zbs, please ? I would like to compare the winning and the losing lists.
Thanks. ;)
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CHaPuZaS le 29 Octobre 2010, 22:44:42
The lists were put in my work's trash last monday, I can't recover them now, sorry for that inconvenience...
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Zanketsull le 30 Octobre 2010, 02:15:20
Ok, thanks anyway. ;)
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Ryuzaki le 30 Octobre 2010, 02:24:10
<3<3<3<3<3 ZBS (pardon, Almost :roll:) list....

that's not like old doomsday, but <3
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: kLu le 30 Octobre 2010, 08:53:55
dredge dans un meta où le deck "dominant" pack 2 tormod's main deck et qu'il te fait la course sans ça, je suis pas vraiment convaincu...
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CwaM le 30 Octobre 2010, 10:14:46
y avait il vrament un deck dominant a ce moment? :)
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Zanketsull le 30 Octobre 2010, 10:59:34
ça devait plus probablement être que les joueurs de zbs s'attendaient (à raison) à un méta control/combo.
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: belcherized le 30 Octobre 2010, 16:32:33
Juste quelques interrogations :
1) Dans ZBS, Nihil Spellbomb est pas strictement supérieure à Tormod's Crypt? Elle fait cantrip, ce qui est une vraie amélioration! Elle coute 1 de plus, mais est-ce que ça peut faire perdre beaucoup de parties là où Tormod ferait gagner (je pense au storm qui est plus facile avec Crypt) ??
2) Dans la liste du 4ème, il n'y a ni Tormod ni Nihil. C'est pas une vraie erreur de building? Contre Triple-Emrakul-Oath, il lui est simplement impossible de gagner pré-side, vrai?
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Zanketsull le 30 Octobre 2010, 19:52:57
1) Pas forcément. Le coup de 1 en plus, personnellement je le trouve très ennuyeux. Genre, avec tormod's, tu peux le jouer gratos, repeal pour U, hurkyl's, re-tormod's, tu saques, Ywill, re-re-tormod's... Si à chaque étape tu dois rajouter 1 de plus, ça alourdit clairement la machine. De la même manière, tormod's permet d'utiliser academy directement t1 si tu n'as pas d'autres artos.
En gros, imho, on retombe sur le même type de débat que pour hurkyl's / rebuild : est-ce que payer 1 de plus pour un petit effet kisscool vaut la chandelle ? Débat interminable...

2) Exact, il peut juste jouer trall en réponse à la capa d'emrakul. Je pense que c'est un choix, Quentin m'avait proposé de faire ça sur mon zbs unpow. En gros, tu acceptes de te faire retourner contre emrakul, ou si tu n'as pas un freeze léthal et que l'autre a accès à Ywill. En contrepartie, tu libères 2 slots qui, suivant le méta, peuvent ne pas être optimaux.

Pour la 2e liste d'almost, ce qui me marque c'est l'absence de mana drain ou de spell pierce... Avec des duress à la place, pour la même disruption que TPS au final. Je suppose que son gameplan, ça devait pas mal tourner autour de mind's...
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CwaM le 30 Octobre 2010, 23:50:01
j'ai du mal avec 4 confidant dans le deck du 1er qd mm

couplé a 2 jace, 1 sphionx, 4 fowet 4 thoughtcast, y a moyen de perdre tout seul :\
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: CHaPuZaS le 01 Novembre 2010, 12:22:25
Remember that this was an invitational event with the best and most renowed players of Spain so many players were able to read the metagame (Maindecking REB, not sideboarding or expecting against Oath/Dredge, etc...).

And about my Tezzcast build... I never died against my Confindants, and that's much to say, because most of Confidants decks lost a game or two against its draw engine. Test it. When playing against blue, it performs very well.
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: breed le 01 Novembre 2010, 22:24:24
Thanks and congrats Chapuzas!

I will try your last evolution of TezzCast (I already played old ones).

;)
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Peach le 02 Novembre 2010, 20:30:18
Hi, this is Guillem (2nd @EW All Stars invitational) :)

This deck proved doing really well in a "controlled" metagame. The side needs a bit of tweaking as the deck was metagamed for a ComboControl/Mud meta with barely any Dredge, Fish or Oath.

My pairings went like: Dredge (2-0), TPS (2-o), MUD (2-1), Almost UBRg (1-2), MUD (2-1), Tezzcast (ID into top 8), GAT (2-0), MUD (2-1), Tezzcast (1-2).

MD tormod´s proved really useful game 1. Specially for uping storm prior/after YW and with Desire. I always played NSB in second game when playing more controlish style.

Have any of you tried an update version of ZBS?

I would love to share some thoughts as this is not a wide common commented archetype  :D


Titre: Re : Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Zanketsull le 03 Novembre 2010, 01:07:59
Citation de: Peach le 02 Novembre 2010, 20:30:18
Have any of you tried an update version of ZBS?

I would love to share some thoughts as this is not a wide common commented archetype  :D

Hi,

I don't know if this can be useful to you... I've been playing for quite a while a home made version of Zbs unpow, while testing also the powered lists. But curiously, my unpow build and your pow list show huge similarities. The main noticeable difference (appart from being pow/unpow), are the 3 repeal slots, that I completely abandonned, considering that they were a poor choice in a control/MUD metagame.

Instead, I was highly convinced by 3 lim dul's vault, which interact greatly with the rest of the deck. You can play LDV at the EoT, get an awesome topdeck, put a gush on top of it and go ftw. It lets you tutor for fastbond or any other bomb, sometimes with a backup, and the trick with gush lets you draw both. It also shunts jace, and tutor for Ywill when you want to play a brainfreeze-powered Ywill.

Ah, and I totally support tormod's crypt MD too. This is so often totally unexpected, that you can sometimes catch your opponent with his pants down, or even force him to make mistakes.

Nevertheless, Zbs is not often played in France. You spanish people have a more favorable metagame, with many combo or control/combo decks. ;)

PS : by the way, i loooove your Zbs list. ;)

PS2 : By the way, will you write a report about your performance ? As you said, there is so few topics about Zbs, that a report from the 2nd@EW would be a good basement.
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Peach le 04 Novembre 2010, 20:04:14
Hi Zanketsull,

Thanks for your comments on the topic. I haven´t tried LDV as I think one of the greatness of the deck is try to stay "blue" almost as possible. Thus playing just 3 black spells and 2 green ones.

I forgot to say I attended LCV 2 weekends ago performing a 4-2 (losing to GAT and MUD and winning against 3 aggro decks and 1 storm deck) with the very same list I played @Vintage All Stars.

Repeal is part of the drawing shell and backbone of the deck to generate 12-15 or more spells in order to finish the Enemy.

I still have to find a good sideboard plan against extreme hate (there are some hateful decks in LCV playing with drains, thoughtseizes, pierces, fow, 4 Mindbreak and extirpates in the board). Any suggestion?

Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: astre le 05 Novembre 2010, 00:11:02
i've been facing this kind of deck tonight and went 0-6 in the match up :/
I've been thinking about switching to kind of GAT style +3 toughsize +4 tarmogoyf - kill stuff
have you tried id? what was your side in the final of madrid?

btw i loved your deck.
actually i can't find a change to make on it :o

one small question i'm still not sure : drain or spellpierce ? do you have any idea on that?
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: lowkick le 05 Novembre 2010, 09:28:59
Citationhere are some hateful decks in LCV playing with drains, thoughtseizes, pierces, fow, 4 Mindbreak and extirpates in the board)

Are they successful?  Is there a list available somewhere?....
Titre: Re : Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: astre le 05 Novembre 2010, 10:24:01
Citation de: lowkick le 05 Novembre 2010, 09:28:59
Citationhere are some hateful decks in LCV playing with drains, thoughtseizes, pierces, fow, 4 Mindbreak and extirpates in the board)

Are they successful?  Is there a list available somewhere?....
jacerator and madness are good exemples of wall of counter.dec :/
Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: Peach le 06 Novembre 2010, 15:17:26
@astre:
My side for the EWAS (already in the post by César):


1 Forest
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Thoughtseize
2 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Nature's Claim

My gameplan is switching to 4 tarmos 3 thoughtseize in this kind of counterwall matchup. The side is intended to buy time versus Workshops and also have a gameplan versus Jester´s and Counterwall.decks.
That´s why I was thinking on playing 2 Xandid Swarm on board for 2nd game. However, this is a really metadependant deck due to the sideboard configuration/needs.

Regarding Pierce vs. Drain, I have tried both with similar results. On the main differences, I have to highlight that playing with maindeck tormod´s allows you to be less scared of Yagmothswin thus it´s safer to play with pierces if you want to try them. It´s kind of meta depandant too,  as I believe you need drains to stay alive versus decks playing Vault to reach turn 3-4 and win.
IMHO Drains are better :)

@lowkick:
You can build a Jazzerator deck without green changing Trigons and Claims for more Counters (as Jacerator is focused on winning MUD matchups and control) like more drains, traps, etc... That kind of deck totally anihilates combocontrol or straight combo (althought it loses to other kind of more aggroish archetypes). It´s good to heavy test a build of ZBS or Almost against this counterwall as when facing any control matchup in a tournament you will never face a worst deck than your testing one (just decks with less counters :_D)



Titre: Re : [Madrid, 11-10-10] EW 2010 Vintage All Stars - Deck Breakdown y Top 8 Decklists
Posté par: astre le 06 Novembre 2010, 19:52:50
thanks a lot!
our answers fit my feelings. :D
I just didn't have the testing as back up  :oops: