Shadowmoor - Première sélection

[neonico]

T'es sur sur le Mana flare pour 6 ???? Oki, non symétrique, oki, tous les permanents produisant du mana, oki doublement et pas juste + 1 mais..... 6 mana pour le joeur quoi  :roll:

Pour le reste,  suis globalement d'accord à part pour le rouge.

SInon, en hybride, le double croisade RG (3/4 trample) me parait aussi intégrable que le WG (4:4 sans évasion)

Torrent of souls dans le thème réanimation est assez gorresque je trouve, même si bien uniquement en RB :
Torrent of Souls   4{br}
Sorcery   Uncommon
Return up to one target creature card from your graveyard to play if {B} was spent to play Torrent of Souls.
Creatures target player controls get +2/+0 and gain haste until end of turn if {R} was spend to play Torrent of Souls.

Qui de la nouvelle REB aussi ? (bon oki, c'est moins bien mais bon ;))
Guttural Response   {rg}
Instant   Uncommon
Counter target blue instant spell.

Firespout   2{rg}
Sorcery   Uncommon
Firespout deals 3 damage to each creature without flying if {G} was spent to play it.
Firespout deals 3 damage to each creature with flying if {R} was spent to play it.

Fulminator Mage    1{br}{br}
Creature - Elemental Shaman   Rare
Sacrifice Fulminator Mage: Destroy target nonbasic land.
2/2

[Thrond]

Bon après avoir vu la spoiler list en entier, voilà ma sélection

Rouge:
Flame Javelin
Smash to smithereens
Knollspine invocation

Noir:
Midnight Banshee
Polluted bond
Dusk Urchins

Lands:
Reflecting pool
Fire-lit Thicket
Graven Cairns
Sunken Ruins
Mystic Gate
Wooded Bastion

Blanc:
Order of whiteclay
Prison term

Bleu:
Knacksaw Clique

Vert:
Gleeful sabotage
Prismatic omen

Golds:
Augury adept
Godhead of Awe
Puresight merrow
Oona, queen of the fae
manamorphose
Sygg, river cutthroat
Safewright quest
Tattermunge maniac
Vexing shusher
memory plunder
Fulminator mage
Guttural response
safewright quest
Wilt-leaf liege
Firespout

Artefacts:
Scuttlemutt


Des remarques?

Pour ma part je vais devoir probablement augmenter la proportion de golds et de lands dans le wag ou tout simplement augmenter le nombre de cartes total (passer de 800 à 850 par exemple) vu que je répugne à me passer de la plupart des golds que je joue... ne parlons pas des lands.

[CwaM]

poru le miniwag

A tester:
Dream Salvage    U/B
Instant   
Draw cards equal to the number of cards an opponent discarded this turn.      

Devrait etre dedans sans soucis:
Firespout   2G/R
Sorcery
Firespout deals 3 damage to each creature without flying if R was spent to play Firespout and 3 damage to each creature with flying if G was spent to play it. (Do both if was spent.)

Guttural Response   G/R
Instant   
Counter target blue instant spell.      


A tester:
Repel Intruders 3W/U
Instant   
Put two 1/1 white Kithkin Soldier creature tokens into play if W was spent to play Repel Intruders.      
Counter up to one target creature spell if U was spent to play Repel Intruders. (If      
is UW spent, do both)      
   
Blight Sickle   2      
Artifact - Equipment      
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and gains wither.      
Equip   2

[Toad]

J'ai rien vu de vraiment transcendant pour un Wagic, pas mal de cartes équilibrées mais rien de bien puissant ayant un coût jouable :(

EDIT - Première sélection ...

W
Order of Whiteclay
Prison Term

B
Dusk Urchins

R
Flame Javelin

G
Spawnwrithe
Witherscale Wurm ?
Farhaven Elf ?

U
Knaksaw Clique

Hybrid
Murderous Redcap ?
Elvish Hexhunters ?
Godhead of Awe
Oversoul of Dusk
Vexing Susher
Wilt Leaf Liege
Memory Plunder
Oona, Queen of the Fae ?
Ghastlord of Fugue
Boartusk Liege
Augury Adept

X
Grim Poppet

Land
Wooded Bastion
Graven Cairns
Fire-Lit Thicket
Sunken Ruins
Mystic Gate

Si ça intéresse quelqu'un j'ai un Deus of Calamity Foil français.

[CwaM]

c naze grim poppet

[neonico]

Voici ma liste, à  partir de ce que j'avais retenu en première sélection, ce qui a été retenu par des américains sur MTGSalvation et par rapport à la liste de Thrond, qui avait noté des trucs sympa que j'avais écarté. Commentaires en anglais, désolé, sté pour poster sur un site ricain ;)

Red:
Flame Javelin => Obvious inclusion, very good blast spell.
Smash to smithereens => Very very good artefact destruction spell. Obvious
Knollspine invocation => A better Stormbind ? In no matter what... I definatly wait for the 6 damages fiery temper or the 5 damages Arrogant wurm.

Black:
Midnight Banshee => Very very good finisher in black.
Dusk Urchins => Really nice crature too. Worth testing for me, thrond dismissed it.

Lands:
Reflecting pool (Allready in) = Allready in, no brainer. Find a foil one (Not me, i definatly prefer my japaneese one )
Fire-lit Thicket, Graven Cairns (Allready in), Sunken Ruins, Mystic Gate, Wooded Bastion : Definatly in. Not sure if i'll remove the Vivid or not to bring them in. The only reall problem is that they are far less beautifull than Future sight Gravern Cairns

White:
Order of whiteclay => Really good reanimation spell. I really love it.
Prison Term => Ill definatly remove one of the pacifism like in my cube to bring this one. Really good.

BLue:
Knacksaw Clique => Really Really Really fan of this. For me it's obvious.

Green:
Prismatic omen => interesting enchant for Coffers, Corrupt, drain life and others... Worth trying.
Farhaven Elf => Very good mana acceleration. Obvious inclusion for me.



Hybrids:
Firesprout => How can you forget about this silly Pyroclasm like ? Definatly in for me.

Fulminator Mage => 2/2 Wasteland for 3, in the good color combinaison for denial archetype. Obvious for me, Thrond won't include it but i think its an error.

Deus of Calamity => For me, auto include. 6/6 for 5 trample, with a good denial ability if unresponded.

Kitchen Finks => Very close of Loxodon Hierarch, perhaps better in some circonstances. Definatly in for me, not for Thrond.

Augury adept => Nice ophidian like, obvious inclusion.

Godhead of Awe => I play humility, this one is allmost as good with a nice 4/4 flying body for 5

Puresight merrow => Obvious inclusion for me. Nice draw fixing ability, on a 2/2 for 2.

Oona, queen of the fae => Very nice finisher. Obvious inclusion.

Sygg, river cutthroat => For me it's an obvious inclusion, for both RB aggro/Blast archetype and a good legend for EDH Cubing.

Vexing shusher => Uncounterable Denial spells for RG aggro denial achetypes ? Count me in. Obvious.

Memory Plunder => Worth trying, can do some silly things. Got a foil one from preview

Guttural response => Obvious

safewright quest => Cheap land tutor, search for biland, obvious inclusion.

Wilt-leaf liege => 4/4 for 4, crusade in 2 main aggro colors, obvious inclusion

Torrent of Souls => Thrond dismissed it, but i really like it myself.... I'll definatly try it.

Oversoul of Dusk => Obvisous inclusion, really nice creature, perhaps replacing the UW angel

Wort, the Raidmother => Another legendary creature for EDH Cubing. Nice Abilities, worth testing.

Witherscale Wurm => Will make the cutt, not sure what Big Green Creature to remove for it.

Boartusk Liege => I'll try it... Not sure its good or not, But i love RG aggro, and its really a nice beatstick

Artefacts:
Scuttlemutt => Nice mana fixing, another possible usefull abilitie, obvious inclusion. Perhaps i'll remove the Myr in my cube, but this one is definatly in.




THINGS I'LL TRY BUT I DONT THINK IT WILL MAKE THE CUTT
Hungry Spriggan, White-Leaf Cavaliers, Wasp Lancer, Ashenmoor Gouger and Boggart Ram-Gang => Nice bodies for 3 colored hybrids or 3 mana. Worth trying, not sure it will stick.

Grim Poppet => For me, its in, not for my friend... Will have to compare with Pentavus and Triskelavus (which is definatly the best of all) and triskelion (think this one will stick too)

Tattermunge maniac => Jackal Pup like, not definatly fan of it but nice drop for R and G aggro decks. Will try but not sure it will stick.

Demigod of Revenge => Just a 5/4 haste flying for 5. Nice body but weaker than the UW and RG ones. I will test it but not sure it will stay

Murderous Redcap => I play things like Ghitu slinger but was about to remove them. Overall better so it can replace it. Worth trying but not sure it will stay.

Repel Intruders => definatly better than some counterspells in my cube. The only problem is that it only counters creatures. Will tru but IMHO it costs one too much to be good.

Spawnwrithe => Love it, not sure it will stay for long but at least, ill try it.

Mana reflection => I dont really love it... too expensive IMHO. Thrond suggested it and will try it. I wont.

Polluted bond = > Suggested by Thrond, i'm not definatly for it. Will wait for feedback from him but for me, its out.

Puppeteer Clique => Need feedback for this one. For me, it can be good but i'm not sure.

Twilight Shepard => Really dont think about that. I'll need some feedback.


THINGS I WONT EVEN TRY AND FIND TOO WEAK
Somnomancer => no flash, not sure if i can include it instead of another knight in White... Dont think it will do the cutt.

Plumeveil => Not good enough, Wont include it....

Ashenmoor Liege => Not good enough, compared to the RG and WG ones.... Wont include it.

Trip Noose => The only effect i keep in my cube like that is icy manipulator, because it can tap any permanent. When its creature only, i dont include.

Rosheen Meanderer => Really not convinced its good. Dismissed for me...

Inkfathom Infiltrator => definatly too weak

Woodfall Primus => Nice, but costs 8 :? Really not sure i'll even try it.

Gleeful sabotage => Enough green Enchant/Artefact destrution. This one doesn't bring a good enough new ability so no for me.

THINGS THAT NONE OF YOU LISTED AND I'LL INCLUDE :
Tower Above and Beesech the Queen => Both are good enough for me and at least worth trying.
Poison the Well, instead of Despoil.

Finally : What do you think of :
Impromptu Raid : I dont love Sneak attack and this one can be interesting.
Tyranize : In a good Red and/or Black aggro deck, as good as Mindtwist IMHO

[Toad]

Spawnwrithe ça à l'air d'être une bonne tuerie si c'est pas géré / bloqué quand ça touche table.

[neonico]

Puresight MErrow en miniwag non ?

[CwaM]

moué, pas convaincu la

[Thrond]

le fulminator mage est vraiment correct, j'ai longuement hésité avant de le sortir. J'hésite au passage à jouer Army ants en Visions.

Firespout est également un auto inculde que j'avais omis.

Je me méfie un peu des Deus, de par leur coût de mana. Il me paraît difficile de les sortir rapidement, à moins de jouer pile poil les couleurs qu'i lfaut sans splash. J'attendrai donc les commentaires, surtout pour le deus of Calamity.

Tu vas sur quel site nico?

[neonico]

MTGSalvation.... même s'ils disent beaucoup de caille, y'a une discussion très active sur les Wagic
Et ils sont même en train de monter un projet "You Make the Cube" pour sélectionner le Cube moyen de tous les gars du forum.
Sinon quand même, Fulminator mage, vas bien falloir que tu lui trouves une petite place ;)
Et sinon, tu fais de la place dans les couleurs pour pas changer lenombre et rajoute les hybrids tels quels sans faire de cutt à priori ?

[Thrond]

A priori oui je change juste la proportion de golds/lands/artos mais sinon ça change pas trop.
Ca fait juste une trentaine de cartes à changer, dont les 5 myrs.

Edit: Murderous redcap a l'air groesque en fait.

[neonico]

Ouais, ça semble potentiellement pouvoir faire du 3 pour 1....
Sinon dans la liste, il manque devoted druid, qui est assez énorme comme accélérateur, je l'avais confondu avec Farhaven Druid, que je trouve vraiment pas top à y réfléchir...

[Toad]

Je préfère nettement Farhaven Druid à Devoted Druid, qui reste un Llanowar Elf sauf le tour où tu vas le tuer ...
Farhaven Druid sert également à fixer la mana, un peu comme Sakura Tribe Elder.

[neonico]

MA sélection définitive cette fois :

Red:
Flame Javelin
Smash to smithereens
Knollspine invocation

Black:
Midnight Banshee
Dusk Urchins
Puppeteer Clique
Beesech the Queen

Lands:
Reflecting pool
Fire-lit Thicket
Graven Cairns
Sunken Ruins
Mystic Gate
Wooded Bastion

White:
Order of whiteclay
Prison Term


BLue:
Knacksaw Clique

Green:
Prismatic omen
Farhaven Elf
Tower Above
Devoted Druid
Spawnwrithe

Hybrids:
Firesprout
Fulminator Mage
Deus of Calamity
Kitchen Finks
Augury adept
Godhead of Awe
Puresight merrow
Oona, queen of the fae
Sygg, river cutthroat
Vexing shusher
Memory Plunder
Guttural Response
safewright quest
Wilt-leaf liege
Oversoul of Dusk
Wort, the Raidmother
Witherscale Wurm
Boartusk Liege
Tattermunge maniac
Murderous Redcap

Artefacts:
Scuttlemutt

La bonne nouvelle : Une seule bonne carte bleue, pour la couleur qui sature déjà, c'est pas mal, un cycle de lands facilement intégrable, un seul artos, pour le reste 4-5 cartes à ajouter par couleur, un set donc assez facilement absorbable.
La mauvaise nouvelle : 20 golds à intégrer, quid de comment faire ?