Chains of Mephistopheles

[Meuh]

Bonsoir à tous,

On est en train de se demander quel est le vrai fonctionnement de la chaine en elle-même.
Car si le joueur doit piocher une carte en plus de la première piochée ce tour-ci, il doit se défausser d'une carte de sa main. Et si il se défausse d'une carte de cette manière il en pioche une...
Donc nouvelle pioche supplémentaire, du coup on peut penser que cela recommence...
Cela boucle du coup ou pas ?

Pour info le texte oracle :

Rules Text (Oracle):   If a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player discards a card instead. If the player discards a card this way, he or she draws a card. If the player doesn't discard a card this way, he or she puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.


9/16/2007 If a spell or ability would cause a player to draw multiple cards, this is treated as a number of individual "draw one card" actions. Apply the effect of Chains of Mephistopheles to each one.
9/16/2007 A player's normal card draw on his or her turn is exempt from this effect. All other draws will be affected.
9/16/2007 Here's what happens when Chains of Mephistopheles replaces a player's draw: -- If that player has at least one card in his or her hand, he or she discards a card and then draws a card. -- If that player's hand is empty, he or she puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard. The player doesn't draw a card at all.
10/4/2004 The effect is cumulative. If there are two of these in play, each of them will modify each draw (after the first one if during the draw step), and will cause the player to discard or to "mill" a card from their library. As they resolve in order, the player must discard if possible. Once the player fails to discard and instead "mills" a card, all further effects of additional Chains of Mephistopheles will not do anything. This is because the "mill" also replaces the draw effect and the player is no longer drawing a card. You handle them in order. Each one makes you discard first and then continue or else mill a card and lose the draw.
10/4/2004 Cards which are drawn as a cost are affected by this card because replacement effects can alter the payment of costs.

[Zmx]

Cela boucle du coup ou pas ?

Pour info le texte oracle :

Rules Text (Oracle):   If a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player discards a card instead. If the player discards a card this way, he or she draws a card. If the player doesn't discard a card this way, he or she puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.

Non, ca boucle pas. La raison etant qu'un remplacement effect ne peux pas s'appliquer plusiseurs fois. La pioche etant deja été remplacé, on ne peux plus la reremplacer (jette un oeil dans les regles sur les effets de remplacement)

[Meuh]

Ok, merci Tristan.
Ce n'est pas que je ne te fais pas confiance, mais comme deux avis valent mieux qu'un, si quelqu'un pouvait me le confirmer, cela clôturerait le sujet :)
Merci :)

[Juju]

Ok, merci Tristan.
Ce n'est pas que je ne te fais pas confiance, mais comme deux avis valent mieux qu'un, si quelqu'un pouvait me le confirmer, cela clôturerait le sujet :)
Merci :)

Je confirme; c'est le meme truc qui fait que fourneau de rajh inflige pas des degats infinis suite a une attaque de petite fille.