Old Vintage.

[Zmx]

Bon, j'vais peut etre me motivé pour monter un tournois en "old vintage".

Avec les limitations d'avant Gush, Flash, et brainstorm (entre autre)

Aprioris je vais faire jouer ce tournois avec des regles et errata actuel (pas de brulure de mana, etc...)

Le seul soucis vient donc de TimeVault, qui n'etait pas limité à l'epoque, mais pas aussi broken non plus.

Le truc, c'est que le reste du format aussi risque d'etre broken. Donc je garde 4 Time Vault, ou je fait une exception au errata pour Tme Vault ?

Ps: vous voyez d'autre carte a surveiller ?

[alex]

Ne laisse pas trini et tinker délimités

[Zanketsull]

Ach mein gott !!!  :shock:
Dans quel coin ça se passerait ?

Ps: vous voyez d'autre carte a surveiller ?

Non, mais ça me paraît un excellent terrain pour faire des expérimentations concrètes sur la B&R, justement.

Ne laisse pas trini et tinker délimités

Je suppose que "Avec les limitations d'avant Gush, Flash, et brainstorm (entre autre)", ça doit vouloir dire avant l'apocalypse du 1er juin.

Le truc, c'est que le reste du format aussi risque d'etre broken. Donc je garde 4 Time Vault, ou je fait une exception au errata pour Tme Vault ?

Je dirais que ça dépend pas mal suivant si tu gardes 4x gifts ou pas... 4xgifts dans un moteur gushbond avec vault/key, même à moi ça me paraît un poil fumé. Errate Tvault comme c'était avec flame fusillade, plutôt. Même si à l'heure actuelle, je doute que beaucoup de gens viendraient avec un carré de Tvault.;)

[CwaM]

trini unban amha c bien :)

[neonico]

trini unban amha c bien :)

Oui oui oui :)
Thorn of amethyst, de la pisse !

A et gifts avec vault key aussi, ça va être frais ce format :)

[CwaM]

pre ban ca veut aussi pre errata non? :)

[Deathknight]

trini unban amha c bien :)

Oui oui oui :)
Thorn of amethyst, de la pisse !

A et gifts avec vault key aussi, ça va être frais ce format :)

On va se marre : 4Trini + 4Golem... 4 Gifts + 4 Vault non erratées. Heureusement que Fish a de quoi lutter : 4 Tarmo + 4 Qasali  :lol:

[gush man]

je penses que le format de zmx par rapport à celui de nos jours, c'est :

tfk x4
brainstorm x4
flash x4
gush x4
merchant scroll x4
ponder x4
time vault erater

si c'est le cas, j'adère

[CwaM]

tant qu'il y a un side event barbeuc et foot :p

[XIII]

Je pense que remonter avant la délimitation de Gush serait une bonne chose, cette connerie étant limite mise en place pour restrict Merchant scroll un peu plus tard (même si avec les 13-sphère actuelles, le problème est moindre)

[nicofromtokyo]

Ca a l'air cool ce format, on peut jouer avec 4 Belcher alors?  :shock:

[Zmx]

je penses que le format de zmx par rapport à celui de nos jours, c'est :

tfk x4
brainstorm x4
flash x4
gush x4
merchant scroll x4
ponder x4
time vault erater

si c'est le cas, j'adère

Je cherche la bonne B&R de l'epoque, mais ouais c'est ça.
Et en regle actuel (brulure de mana, lifelink, etc...) Et errata actuel (la seul execlption actuel etant TimeVault, qui serais délimité, mais erraté comme à l'epoque (Vault/key))

[ggeforce]

Banned & Restricted list changes, formatted in reverse chronological order.

Current Banned & Restricted List

2009

Crop Rotation (unrestricted, effective July 1, 2009) is unrestricted
Enlightened Tutor (unrestricted, effective July 1, 2009) is unrestricted
Entomb (unrestricted, effective July 1, 2009) is unrestricted
Grim Monolith (unrestricted, effective July 1, 2009) is unrestricted
Thirst for Knowledge (effective July 1, 2009) is restricted

2008

Announcement and Explanation
2008/09/20 - Chrome Mox is unrestricted
2008/09/20 - Dream Halls is unrestricted
2008/09/20 - Mox Diamond is unrestricted
2008/09/20 - Personal Tutor is unrestricted
2008/09/20 - Time Spiral is unrestricted
2008/09/20 - Time Vault is restricted

Announcement and Explanation 1, Explanation 2, Explanation 3
2008/06/20 - Brainstorm is restricted
2008/06/20 - Flash is restricted
2008/06/20 - Gush is restricted
2008/06/20 - Merchant Scroll is restricted
2008/06/20 - Ponder is restricted

2007

Announcement and Explanation
2007/09/20 - Shahrazad is banned

Announcement and Explanation
2007/06/20 - Black Vise is unrestricted
2007/06/20 - Gifts Ungiven is restricted
2007/06/20 - Gush is unrestricted
2007/06/20 - Mind Twist is unrestricted
2007/06/20 - Voltaic Key is unrestricted

2005

Announcement and Explanation
2005/10/20 - Imperial Seal is restricted
2005/10/20 - Personal Tutor is restricted
2005/10/20 - Portal and Starter sets become legal for play

Announcement and Explanation
2005/09/20 - Mind Over Matter is unrestricted

Announcement and Explanation
2005/03/20 - Trinisphère is restricted

2004

Announcement and Explanation
2004/12/20 - Stroke of Genius is unrestricted

Announcement and Explanation
Type 1 is renamed Vintage
2004/09/20 - Braingeyser is unrestricted
2004/09/20 - Doomsday is unrestricted
2004/09/20 - Earthcraft is unrestricted
2004/09/20 - Fork is unrestricted

Announcement and Explanation
2004/01/01 - Burning Wish is restricted
2004/01/01 - Chrome Mox is restricted
2004/01/01 - Lion's Eye Diamond is restricted

2003

Announcement and Explanation
2003/07/01 - Gush is restricted
2003/07/01 - Mind's Desire is restricted

Announcement and Explanation
2003/04/01 - Berserk is unrestricted
2003/04/01 - Earthcraft is resticted
2003/04/01 - Entomb is restricted
2003/04/01 - Hurkyl's Recall is unrestricted
2003/04/01 - Recall is unrestricted

2002

Announcement and Explanation
2002/01/01 - Fact or Fiction is restricted

2000

Announcement and Explanation
2000/10/01 - Channel is restricted
2000/10/01 - Channel is unbanned
2000/10/01 - Demonic Consultation is restricted
2000/10/01 - Mind Twist is restricted
2000/10/01 - Mind Twist is unbanned
2000/10/01 - Necropotence is restricted

1999

Announcement and Explanation
1999/10/01 - Crop Rotation is restricted
1999/10/01 - Divine Intervention is unbanned
1999/10/01 - Doomsday is restricted
1999/10/01 - Dream Halls is restricted
1999/10/01 - Enlightened Tutor is restricted
1999/10/01 - Frantic Search is restricted
1999/10/01 - Ivory Tower is unrestricted
1999/10/01 - Grim Monolith is restricted
1999/10/01 - Hurkyl's Recall is restricted
1999/10/01 - Lotus Petal is restricted
1999/10/01 - Mana Crypt is restricted
1999/10/01 - Mana Vault is restricted
1999/10/01 - Mind Over Matter is restricted
1999/10/01 - Mirror Universe is unrestricted
1999/10/01 - Mox Diamond is restricted
1999/10/01 - Mystical Tutor is restricted
1999/10/01 - Shahrazad is unbanned
1999/10/01 - Tinker is restricted
1999/10/01 - Underworld Dreams is unrestricted
1999/10/01 - Vampiric Tutor is restricted
1999/10/01 - Voltaic Key is restricted
1999/10/01 - Yawgmoth's Bargain is restricted
1999/10/01 - Yawgmoth's Will is restricted

1999/04/01 - Maze of Ith is unrestricted
1999/04/01 - Memory Jar is restricted
1999/04/01 - Time Spiral is restricted

1999/01/01 - Stroke of Genius is restricted
1999/01/01 - Tolarian Academy is restricted
1999/01/01 - Windfall is restricted

1998

1998/01/01 - Strip Mine is restricted

1997

1997/10/01 - Candelabra of Tawnos is unrestricted
1997/10/01 - Copy Artifact is unrestricted
1997/10/01 - Feldon's Cane is unrestricted
1997/10/01 - Mishra's Workshop is unrestricted
1997/10/01 - Zuran Orb is unrestricted


1997/07/01 - Black Vise is restricted

1996

1996/10/01 - Fastbond is restricted

1996/04/01 - Ali from Cairo is unrestricted
1996/04/01 - Black Vise is unrestricted
1996/04/01 - Sword of the Ages is unrestricted
1996/04/01 - Time Vault is unbanned

1996/02/01 - Black Vise is restricted
1996/02/01 - Mind Twist is banned
1996/02/01 - Mind Twist is unrestricted

1995

1995/11/01 - Channel is banned
1995/11/01 - Channel is unrestricted
1995/11/01 - Chaos Orb is banned
1995/11/01 - Chaos Orb is unrestricted
1995/11/01 - Falling Star is banned
1995/11/01 - Falling Star is unrestricted
1995/11/01 - Zuran Orb is restricted

1995/08/01 - Timmerian Fiends is banned *

1995/06/01 - Amulet of Quoz is banned *

1995/04/19 - Balance is restricted
1995/04/19 - Fork is restricted

1994

1994/10/10 - Maze of Ith is restricted

1994/08/01 - Chaos Orb is restricted
1994/08/01 - Divine Intervention is banned
1994/08/01 - Falling Star is restricted
1994/08/01 - Mind Twist is restricted
1994/08/01 - Mirror Universe is restricted
1994/08/01 - Recall is restricted
1994/08/01 - Sword of the Ages is restricted
1994/08/01 - Tempest Efreet is banned *
1994/08/01 - Underworld Dreams is restricted

1994/06/13 - Mishra's Workshop is restricted

1994/06/01 - Rebirth is banned *

1994/05/02 - Bronze Tablet is banned *
1994/05/02 - Candelabra of Tawnos is restricted
1994/05/02 - Feldon's Cane is restricted
1994/05/02 - Ivory Tower is restricted
1994/05/02 - Library of Alexandria is restricted

1994/05/01 - Dingus Egg is unrestricted
1994/05/01 - Gauntlet of Might is unrestricted

1994/03/23 - Channel is restricted
1994/03/23 - Copy Artifact is restricted
1994/03/23 - Demonic Tutor is restricted
1994/03/23 - Icy Manipulator is unrestricted
1994/03/23 - Regrowth is restricted
1994/03/23 - Time Vault is banned
1994/03/22 - Time Vault is Unrestricted
1994/03/23 - Wheel of Fortune is restricted

1994/02/23 - Orcish Oriflamme is unrestricted
1994/02/23 - Rukh Egg is unrestricted

Announcement
1994/01/25 - Ali from Cairo is restricted
1994/01/25 - Ancestral Recall is restricted
1994/01/25 - Berserk is restricted
1994/01/25 - Black Lotus is restricted
1994/01/25 - Braingeyser is restricted
1994/01/25 - Contract from Below is banned *
1994/01/25 - Darkpact is banned *
1994/01/25 - Demonic Attorney is banned *
1994/01/25 - Dingus Egg is restricted
1994/01/25 - Gauntlet of Might is restricted
1994/01/25 - Icy Manipulator is restricted
1994/01/25 - Jeweled Bird is banned *
1994/01/25 - Mox Emerald is restricted
1994/01/25 - Mox Jet is restricted
1994/01/25 - Mox Pearl is restricted
1994/01/25 - Mox Ruby is restricted
1994/01/25 - Mox Sapphire is restricted
1994/01/25 - Orcish Oriflamme is restricted
1994/01/25 - Rukh Egg is restricted
1994/01/25 - Shahrazad is banned
1994/01/25 - Sol Ring is restricted
1994/01/25 - Timetwister is restricted
1994/01/25 - Time Vault is restricted
1994/01/25 - Time Walk is restricted

* Banned for being an Ante card

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[breed]

A et gifts avec vault key aussi, ça va être frais ce format :)

C'est ce qu'on veut! Un format qui saigne!

:mrgreen:

[OlafGrossbaf]

si tu gères le BBQ derrière, je me remets au T1

Olaf, vous auriez pas un P9 au prêt ?