nouvelle annonce B & R

[Lejay]

Y win j'y ai pensé, ça parait peu. Split second en sorcery c'est avec des poils alors. :D

[Zmx]

Y win j'y ai pensé, ça parait peu. Split second en sorcery c'est avec des poils alors. :D

Tu parlais de Mystical aussi  :oops: sinon sorcery split-second, ouais je voit pas trop =)

[nicofromtokyo]

Y win j'y ai pensé, ça parait peu. Split second en sorcery c'est avec des poils alors. :D

Tu parlais de Mystical aussi  :oops: sinon sorcery split-second, ouais je voit pas trop =)

[hs] Je crois qu'il voulait dire "slip second" (d'où les poils). [/hs]

Mais sinon, Mox Diamond, ça ne provoque rien chez vous? C'est quand même plutôt combo avec Time Spiral, ça évite de jouer avec Fastbond et donc de splasher du vert juste pour une carte. Le retour de Draw7.deck? Un de mes premiers decks combo, snif  :)

[hemgath]

Mais sinon, Mox Diamond, ça ne provoque rien chez vous? C'est quand même plutôt combo avec Time Spiral, ça évite de jouer avec Fastbond et donc de splasher du vert juste pour une carte. Le retour de Draw7.deck? Un de mes premiers decks combo, snif 

Mais que cela parait lourd tout de meme... Ptet un neo turbo nevyn... Mais franchement a vut de nez ca semble durdur...

[Toad]

Combo ne jouait déjà ni Chrome Mox ni Mox Diamond, y'a pas de raison pour qu'ils en jouent 4 maintenant.
Et si Combo joue un Mox ça sera Chrome Mox parce que Mox Diamond c'est pas de l'accélération quand tu joues 12 lands.

[CwaM]

SI personnal tutor est si broken pourquoi c'était joué nul part? :o

[XIII]

SI personnal tutor est si broken pourquoi c'était joué nul part? :o

On est d'accord que c'est un argument moisis ça hein ;)

Flash, c'est joué nul part en ce moment ...

[astre]

justement, 1 flash 4 personnal tutor, il y a pas moyen d'en faire quelque chose?


ben même pas, ce tutor vas chercher que les rituels...

de la merde cette carte   ;)

[CwaM]

SI personnal tutor est si broken pourquoi c'était joué nul part? :o

On est d'accord que c'est un argument moisis ça hein ;)

Flash, c'est joué nul part en ce moment ...

Merci de faire la différence entre un tuteur et un kill

[astre]

justement 4 tutors pour trouver un kill c'est pas combo?
sauf que là, ca marche un peu à la ramasse:
4 personnal tutor pour trouver 1 merchant ou un demonic pour trouver 1 flash.

on rajoute 4 pact de l'invocateur et on a un jeu broken. :moustache:

[nicofromtokyo]

Combo ne jouait déjà ni Chrome Mox ni Mox Diamond, y'a pas de raison pour qu'ils en jouent 4 maintenant.
Et si Combo joue un Mox ça sera Chrome Mox parce que Mox Diamond c'est pas de l'accélération quand tu joues 12 lands.

Mox Diamond, c'est un filtreur de terrain après un Draw7, ça permet de faire de la mana et du storm tout en se défaussant de terrains en trop si on a déjà posé son land pendant le tour. Bon, 4, ça rime à rien, mais 2 ça me semble jouable.

[astre]

The most recent announcement regarding the banned and restricted list impacted a number of Magic formats, both online and off. Today we're going to examine those changes and why they were made.
[...]
Vintage
In addition to the banning of Sensei's Divining Top in Extended, the Vintage format saw a bevy of previously restricted cards rejoin the format as four-of playables: Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Dream Halls, Time Spiral, and Personal Tutor. This reflects the DCI's attitude towards the Vintage format: that it should allow players to play with as many of their cards as reasonably possible. But why unrestrict cards? Doesn't that provide the possibility of decks finding a means of abusing these "new" cards?

Prior to making the decision to unrestrict the cards, those are the very questions the DCI was faced with. The world of Vintage that existed when each of the unrestricted cards was added to the restricted list is very different than the one that exists today. Repeatedly, the game's most powerful cards have seen continued use in Vintage even after they've been reduced to singleton status in players' decks, but for each of the cards removed from the restricted list that has not been the case. That in and of itself is not enough to determine that a card poses no risk of being abused by the strongest Vintage deck builders. After careful examination of the Vintage restricted list, it was determined that the five cards presented earlier this week posed the least amount of danger to the format and could safely be given the opportunity to see full play again.

   

In the case of Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox, they represent one of the best known aspects of Vintage play: artifact acceleration. Whether players use the original Moxes — majority shareholders in the mythic "Power 9" — the iconic Black Lotus, or even non-colored mana sources like Mana Vault or Grim Monolith, Vintage is famous in part because of the powerful plays that occur with the use of these cards. So why add two more in the form of Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox? The answer is simply that these cards are much weaker than the artifact acceleration already available. The investment of an additional card to garner a boost in mana with both Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox curtails the power of the two cards significantly enough to see unrestriction, particularly in light of all the other options available to players currently.

Over time, the Vintage format has demonstrated that cards without such a drawback, even those that only provide a short term bonus like Lotus Petal, will see heavy play in unrestricted form and will still see play despite being on the restricted list. Because the drawbacks on Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox are so severe, and because they haven't seen heavy play in one-of fashion while on the restricted list, the DCI felt the time was appropriate to return them to the Vintage fold.


A second Vintage cornerstone is the powerful nature of tutor spells. With nearly the entirety of Magic's card pool at a player's grasp, cards that increase the virtual count of restricted cards in a player's deck have proven to be very powerful. Still, not all tutors have proven themselves abusive. Grim Tutor is one example and, after careful consideration, the DCI determined that Personal Tutor should fall into this category and be given the opportunity to see full play. Because the card can only be played at sorcery speed and does not put the searched-for sorcery directly into a player's hand, Personal Tutor is much safer than ancestors like Mystical, Vampiric, and Demonic Tutor.

   

Dream Halls and Time Spiral are both former combo engines for decks that were much too powerful for the Standard and Extended formats they existed in. They have also seen play in Vintage, but the world of Vintage from that time is very different than the world of Vintage today, and the likelihood of a Dream Halls or Time Spiral combo deck coming into existence that is significantly more powerful than the Dark Ritual based storm decks already in the format is remote. There is nothing wrong with players creating a powerful but not abusive deck based around either Dream Halls or Time Spiral (or both). If over time either card, or any card in Vintage, does manage to be broken, the DCI will re-examine its status as unrestricted at that time.

Ultimately the possibility of any of the five cards being abused excessively was determined to be minimal so the risk of leaving Vintage less interesting and dynamic than it might be while reducing the number of cards available for players to play was deemed to be a more problematic concern. Thusly, welcome back to Dream Halls, Time Spiral, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, and Personal Tutor!

[...]

Word on Time Vault

That concludes this week's Latest Developments, but before we go for the week it bears mentioning that Time Vault's power-level errata will be removed in conjunction with the next Oracle update scheduled for September 26. As a result the card has been banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage; the explanations regarding those changes will be given when the Oracle text is officially updated later in September.

source : http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/2

pour time vault, l'explication attendra un peu visiblement  ;)

[nicofromtokyo]

J'approuve perso la politique d'essayer de dérestricter. Et si c'est vraiment trop broken, on restricte à nouveau, hop là.

[neonico]

Je sais pas si c'est de l'ironie ou pas, mais perso les formats qui durent 3 ou 6 mois pasqu'on est pas capable de se rendre compte de la puissance d'une carte avec ce qu'il y a dans le format, je trouve ça plutôt lourd....

Sinon NFT qui fait exprès d'inventer des mots pour que ses posts ressemblent à ceux de Max, j'avoue, c'est plutôt de toute fraicheur.

[astre]

personnelement, je suis d'avis qu'il ne prennent pas trops de risque sur les 4 derestrict. au pire, il vont ouvrir le metasur d'autres tier I mais rien de quoi enfoncer les tier I actuel qui mettent deja la barre très haut : oath, TPS, CS et ichorid